modern feminism is trash change my mind

Updated on July 21, 2019 in Battle of the Sexes
7 on January 16, 2019

modern feminism is no longer about trying to make the genders equal but more about shaming men for being men, and dismissing woc and trans women’s stories and painting the narotive white women want

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6 on July 12, 2019

That’s not true at all.  Women who hate men and think men are horrible and trash are called misandrists NOT feminists.  Unfortunately, they often call themselves feminists which really soils the name of feminism.  REAL feminists like myself stand up for social, political, and economic issues and justice for BOTH males and females.  You seem to be under the impression that feminists today are only white women, but that is not true.  Women from every race and culture are feminists and so are men.  I know tons of men who are feminists.  People just hate the word feminism because it has part of the word feminine in it and people automatically assume that women are trying to be superior to men.  Educate yourself.

 

on July 12, 2019

the feminism your talking about is intersectional feminism. not all feminists are inherently intersectional feminists, which leads to the exclusion of trans people, poc lgbtq, ect in the discussion of gender equality. anyone who claims to be a feminists is a “real feminist” since there is no clear definition of the word considering the different waves of feminism and the different beliefs held by different groups of feminists. I don’t hate the word feminism just because it is feminine i did not once even allude to that in my argument, and i am not assuming women are trying to be superior to men. i am saying modern fourth wave feminism has been contorted and twisted to fit an agenda that often excludes minority’s from the discussion.

on July 19, 2019

There is a clear definition of the word.  “Feminism is a range of social movements, political movements, and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.”  Did you read that? The sexes, as in both male and female.  Tons of minorities are feminists.  Many social scientists consider women as minorities.  A great number of feminists are women and women feminists are equally represented by all races, ethnicities, and sexual orientations.  Why would a minority be a part of a group that excludes minorities? They wouldn’t. You said that you are not assuming women are trying to be superior to men, but in your original post you said feminism now is about shaming men for being men.  That’s not true at all.  Real feminists fight for men’s social issues as well.  A decent amount of feminists are male.  If feminism was about shaming men and hating men why would men be apart of feminism? I have never heard about feminism as a whole being unaccepting of WOC and trans.  Sure, some individuals who call themselves feminists may not accept WOC and trans, but that doesn’t mean that the whole feminist group doesn’t accept them.  Overall, we do.  For fuck sake, AOC, Michelle Obama, Amandla Stenberg, Zendaya, Laverne Cox, Kimberle Crenshaw, etc. are all woc feminists.  If feminism excluded WOC, they would not choose to be a part of the feminist movement.  They are smart individuals. 

 

on July 20, 2019

all i’m saying is the modern feminism has been contorted and distorted and if you ask one feminists what her views are they could be completely different from another feminist views. it’s become a garbage fire of conflicting opinions and it’s no longer a unified movement like it was in previous waves. there was a clear message and a clear end goal.

on July 20, 2019

I believe there are different branches of feminism, but there always have been.  Believe it or not, not all people think alike.  Democrats and Republicans are separated into different groups because they share different political, social, and economic opinions in general, but not every Democrat thinks alike.  Not every Republican thinks alike.  Everyone has their own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean they can’t affiliate with a group that they generally share the same beliefs with.  Everyone doesn’t have to think uniformly just to fit into a group.  Feminism is an expanding movement that houses a ton of different people with a ton of different opinions.  The main goal of feminism, however, is what I stated above.  That’s the main goal.  The main goal of the civil rights movement was to end segregation and earn equality for African Americans, but not all civil rights movement participates thought the same.  Some wanted to use violence, others wanted to use peace and protest.  Their main goal was the same, but everyone shared different opinions about how to get to that end goal.  Same as feminism.  You can’t honestly think that everyone has to have the same opinion for it to be an effective group.  All Buddhists don’t think alike, but their main message and goal is clear. Same with every other religion and group.  People join groups and movements because they stand for the main goal and message.  But, they will have different opinions, that’s what makes us unique and human.  Damn.

 

on July 20, 2019

okay but what i’m trying to get at is modern feminism doesn’t have a clear goal. first wave feminism had the clear of goal of getting voting rights for women, and everyone knew that’s what the movement stood for. the majority of feminists now don’t have a clear goal, are uneducated.

on July 21, 2019

Sorry but what do you define as uneducated in a majority of feminists today? Our goal is to spread awareness and light to social, economic, and political issues plaguing both genders.  Example: most feminists want rapists to be sentenced to jail for an appropriate amount of time.  Too many get let off easily because they “have promising futures” or “made a mistake”.  On the other end of that though, most feminists want individuals who falsely accuse others of rape to be jailed as well.  Feminists are also bringing light to certain issues such as the fact that most men’s public restrooms don’t have baby changing tables, which makes it very difficult for a man to change his baby.  But sure, we’re uneducated okayyyyyy.

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