If you say a racist joke, are you then a racist person?

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12 on December 16, 2021

What do you guys think?

 

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0 on December 26, 2021

Well, yes. If you do that then you are racist, however it doesn’t matter since we ourselves are all racist. Don’t get me wrong I’m not talking about ‘southern style’, I mean that we all hold a bias to our specific race as compared to others (again, don’t lie bud even I’m guilty of it). If I were to have to help people in a car crash and I see someone of my race injured, best believe I’m going to try and help him out more than others. Personally, it’s not that I despise other races, no, I don’t. It’s just that feeling of kinship between my people which leads me to feel bias when making a decision including them.

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1 on December 27, 2021

Hey, so I guess my question was kinda going down the realm of if you do something bad are you then a bad person. I personally think that if are you are constantly doing racist things then that means you are a racist. Also, I can’t say I share your perspective on race, I don’t have a bias for my own race (but I am multi-racial), because I am not racist.  

on December 28, 2021

Hey, what a coincidence- I am multi-racial as well. And from what you said before whilst clearing up things by saying, “if you are constantly doing racist things then that means you are a racist.” I slightly disagree with that, it actually depends on the context.

For example, in Australia where I reside we’re all saying racist stuff. Pacific Islanders saying the n-word, Africans calling them coconuts, white people being called crackers so on and so forth (A nightmare for any ‘woke liberal’). For us it doesn’t affect us and we’re just joking around. However, we do know when there is a fine line in which we shouldn’t cross over however…

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7 on December 29, 2021

hey, I think I still stand by my statement. If you continually think, say, believe, whatever things that are oppressive of another race then I consider you a racist. Where I can agree with you is humor, but I do think that if a person jokes on things that are racist in any other contest if not as saying “it is a joke”, then that person has some level of thinking it’s true. I don’t think it’s too debatable. Also that whole thing for bias for your own race, could you explain that more in-depth, thanks 🙂 

on December 29, 2021

So, I don’t think you get me about the bias part so instead of hurting my head explaining it I’ll just leave it for now seeing as it’s 5 in the morning and I can’t be bothered. Sure, if people joke around while being racist I don’t mind, where I’m from we really like to joke around- especially being ‘racist’. However, once someone crosses the threshold of it being a joke, then it is not a joke. To an extent that person is now somewhat racist.

on January 1, 2022

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

on January 11, 2022

So, first off, I would say to Luzao, check that bias mate. First, have you considered reverse racism? Or that maybe race shouldn’t play a factor? Maybe there’s someone clearly more worth the effort saving? Maybe that person is of a different race than you, whole another of the same race is just slightly less safe in saving? All I’m saying here is thats the address that comment needs. Maybe you shouldn’t be so forthcoming about saving people of your own race before considering certain objective moral principles.

To get to what you two got onto, I’d say see my comment to the OP. Honestly, it sums it up pretty well so I don’t want to go in depth yet.

on January 12, 2022

yes

on January 14, 2022

I like that you agree, but do you feel like there is something missing from this conversation you wish to add?

6 days ago

So, this is stretching a bit further away from the main topic at hand. However, this is still somewhat related to the question in regards to the ‘genre’ of sorts. How often does the factor of race pop up during your daily life? I’m generally curious for a response to this. And also, yes I would also take into account the importance of said people in need of saving, race, gender, objective importance and such. Race is just one factor.

4 days ago

Good question, man. So, I would say that on the surface it looks like in the last 5 years, race has been much more of a daily thing for most people (at least in America, but definitely elsewhere). However, I think that in just the last year or so, for most people, it has gone from a very conscious thing, to more of a background factor that shapes our behavior.

Now, would you say this makes it less of a thing in daily life? I could see that for sure. If it doesn’t pop up say in interpersonal situations or as a conscious consideration, I could justify calling it less of a thing, in a sense.

BUT the background factor idea can be applied retrospectively. So, I would say that if we call it all equal, then race has simply popped up in daily life in a different, but probably equivalent way. For example, as a white guy, I grew up hearing casually delivered, but fucked up racist jokes. Now, I hear much less of that, but I’m much more aware of not being casually racist.

Another example would be when woke-ism first kicked off, the big thing people against it complained about was how they had no racial intent with jokes like that and so they should be able to continue as “normal”. At least to me, this shows that race was already on their minds, they just weren’t examining it until it was brought to their conscious attention.

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0 on January 11, 2022

So, to respond to your prompt directly, Spreadlovenotwar. I would say that there is a weird framing of the question you should watch out for. If you make a racist joke, THEN you are a racist.

This is not true even at baseline. You are not a racist FOR making a racist joke. The joke itself is most likely the product of a held racial bias.

Other than that, I totally agree with what you said in the replies to Luzao. Its just a hard step to start the real conversation on. Check my replies.

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