Everyone who still eats meat is a disgrace to mankind.

Well that’s not the argument, the argument is that people who eat meat are a disgrace to all mankind, and I believe that’s completely falsified, yes it is murder, but you’re acting as if these animals wouldn’t do the same if they were as evolved us, take the polar bear for example, they realize they can overpower us easily, and they legit prey on humans, why you ask, to provide for themselves and their kids, and why do we kill, to provide for us and our children the easiest possible way we know how to, it doesn’t sound too different does it, not at all, so please tell me that if cheetahs were able to use guns and knew that if they could shoot us for an easy and quick meal for its family, it wouldn’t, and I know there are some sick people out there who kill animals for sport, but don’t let them drag the rest of humanity down with them not everybody is the same, and it’s very ignorant to put people in a single group like that

There is no way to know for sure that if other animals were as evolved as us they would go about killing us and things. The problem is, we don’t just take a gun and shoot an animal. The way we go about getting our meat is atrocious. Factory farming is a terrible terrible industry. We enslave animals and force them to live in unfavorable conditions for our own wants. we dont even need to eat meat to survive anymore. we have the means to feed every single person on this earth without slaughtering innocent creatures. one of the biggest problems mankind faces is assuming that our lives are more important than others. Empathy is the highest kind of thinking, and there is no way that we use empathy when we hurt another living creature who has no say in what happens to them. how can we call ourselves the smartest species? we destroy everything we touch! animals were able to exist peacefully among each other for years before humans were introduced to the planet. our inability to communicate through our voices have hindered our ability to connect with the beautiful creatures that exist on the same earth we do. they feels things just as we do… and please don’t be one of those imbeciles that say plants have feelings… they don’t. they don’t have a nervous system. But even if animals were capable of picking up a gun and killing us, wouldn’t you hope that they would be compassionate enough to get food in other ways if they could? i certainly would. also, humans are biologically not supposed to consume meat. we have no omnivorous instincts. If you put a baby in a crib with an apple and a bunny, you tell me when the baby eats the bunny and plays with the apple.

So that being said, I definitely agree with the notion that all humans who eat meat are a disgrace to mankind. No exceptions. 

“animals were able to exist peacefully among each other for years before humans were introduced to the planet” . we are animals too,or have you forgotten, how are you gonna sit there and tell me that if a cheetah had a gun and knew with that gun he/she they could provide for their family alot quicker than waiting a couple months for a crop to grow, they wouldn’t do it, that’s called logic, if any other species could sit back and watch TV all day, and eat steak in peace, I’m sure they would,and in reply to your baby and bunny and apple theory, I’m sure that baby would eat that bunny and the apple if the bunny was cooked,and please tell me in what case wouldn’t a baby play with an apple, it looks likes a toy to them, that’s ridiculous to say, babies are curious of everything, and you’re going off topic, the way other species of animals are treated in big industries isn’t what the argument is about, it’s if the consumers of the meat are the disgrace, not the ones who kill them and the ones that treat them the way they do, if you wanna get into that create a new thread, and I’ll be happy to comment on that,but back to the argument at hand, I would love to hope if another species were in our position, they wouldn’t kill us and eat us, but like I said that type of stuff is like reading a fairytale, and lastly I wanna go back up to the first thing you said again about “species being able to exist peacefully before humans came to earth, you can’t prove that and you know you can’t, so don’t act like you can.

Empathy is not the highest kind of thinking. Empathy is an emotion and emotions cloud judgement.

Empathy is not an emotion. Empathy is the ability to feel what others feel. Empathy is not something you yourself feel. It’s something you do. It takes a higher level of thinking to do that. Emotions CAN cloud judgement, but to say that they always cloud judgement is false. Part of being a human is balancing the side of your brain that is logic and the side that is emotion and finding a way to making decisions by integrating the two. 

Actually to say emtions always cloud judgment Is true,but to say empathy is the highest kind of thinking is an opinion and a stupid one at that.

And another thing, so empathy isnt an emotion but it’s the ability to feel emotions that others feel correct? DOESNT SOUND LIKE VERY HIGH THINKING TO ME.”Oh you’re sad im gonna feel what you feel now to make you feel better okay” sounds pretty moronic right? People judge everything  based off of emotions ,it makes no sense to say emotion doesnt always cloud judgment, there not always the worst judments,there not always the best, but none the less emotion still clouds judgment,and why are you even commenting on this post again if I already proved you wrong and you didnt even bother to rebuttle,I’ll tell you why I’m commenting ,because you commented on a post that I already won,and I’m wondering why,theres no reason to prove yourself any further after you already lost an argument, so why?

@hippiechik, yes, it is an emotion. Non physical feeling is emotions. Though, emotions can have an effect on your brain that can result in physical sensations, but the initial “feeling” was an emotional one. And yes, emotions do ALWAYS cloud judgement. Though, some of us are able to ignore or control our emotions and pay strict attention to only the relevant details. It’s not “”part of being human” to do this. It’s a skill that only some learn. Most do not. And integrating the two is not the best choice.

@Acpool, be honest. You didn’t just reply because they replied after you felt you proved them wrong. You did it for the same reason I do. To correct more mis-information that they added and to rub salt into the open wound.

also, it is not “fairy tale”, as you put it, if its a plausible solution to a problem. It is not unrealistic to envision a beautiful world. The people who do that are the ones we should look up to and encourage, not degrade and convince are just daydreamers.

PS, lol i keep reading things i was to touch on…

The evidence that proves animals peacefully existed before us lies in the earth itself. it did not start its rapid decay until we polluted it with our selfish ways. Before we got here, animals followed their natural instincts and existed in the cycle that is life. Thats called harmonious living.

I don’t how I’m coming off abrasive in my writing,I’m just saying my opinion, and in the last passage you wrote, there’s no evidence in that , cause you don’t know exactly when we got here, and as far as I know no one does, and you continue to avoid the fact that we are animals too, we are apart of the food chain, and we choose to be on top, and you’re stereotyping people who eat meat now, you say all people who eat meat, choose not to see how it’s made, that’s false, a lot of people who eat meat do know the process in which it’s made, and there’s a lot people who don’t. and you believe people who want to provide for their family very easily with a well balanced meal, is a bad thing? And the only thing I could find on harmonious living is related to Bible readings, that’s nothing to do with eating meat. I’ve said this so many times;both you and me know, if another species was as evolved as us, they would do the same, it’s an easy way to live, you’re basically saying the world’s a disgrace to itself in its own nature, and you can’t say that, because neither me or you know the true nature of this world, so saying that mankind is a disgrace to itself is very immature, you may feel that, but you don’t know the true nature behind mankind so you can’t prove that just because people eat meat they’re a disgrace to mankind, that’s premature thinking.And to your second passage, you think stopping people from eating meat is a probable solution to solve the world’s problems, that’s ridiculous, and yeah you’re right, it’s not unrealistic to “envision” a beautiful world, but to believe that’s going to happen by stopping people from eating meat is unrealistic,it really is. And to your first passage, so If i would eat meat, I’m worst than the people who kill animals for sport, I’m the one treating these animals badly, I’m the one who looks these animals in the face and shoot them between there eyes right? I go to my local Walmart and buy steaks and pork chops as well as lettuce and tomatoes, that makes me a disgrace,right? When you respond to this, please respond to everything, in this passage, I’d appreciate that,i really would.

A debate is already unhealthy when it’s based on opinions rather than facts. Meat eating or veganism is opinions and life choices. There is no right or wrong choice. Arguing it is fruitless.