Does God exist?

You cannot prove or disprove an invisible man that phases through walls is behind you.

That doesn’t mean you should act like he is there.

Therefore, you cant prove god is or isnt real, but you should act like he isnt real.

So, you can’t prove or disprove that God is real, but you should act like he isn’t? Isn’t that like lying to yourself, act like they aren’t there even though you don’t know? Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not there!

(I am not saying if u are not a Christian u r wrong, u can chose your own path.)

i feel religion is based off faith, and faith isn’t good enough for a lot of people. Im inclined to believe facts over “delusion”, possibly. Im in the middle right now, i was born into a christian home but too many thoughts and other explanations to the story of this world make me think otherwise. We could be living in a matrix and as soon as we die, we’re put into another one. There’s reincarnation, maybe your “soul“ is put into another body, or maybe i’ll be reincarnated to a rat after i die and forget all about what its like being human. we could be in a fucking game called story mode where u live this life on “earth” and after u die your put into a completely different game drastically different from anything you perceive on this earth.

okay everyone, did y’all know that our creator is a 3 headed demon dog, hes just watching us beyond the stars with his ability to do so and hes making sure were doing good in his name. How u gonna prove me wrong, u cant see him or disprove this belief.

Read all of that and say im not crazy, who said a man was around for eternity and then decided to create a world full of beings that live through his name. And arent there so many contraditions in the bible.

So your saying everybody who is not Christian is wrong?

No. Please reread what I have wrote.

Sorry lemme correct myself,so you’re not Christian,which means you’re telling me everybody else who doesn’t believe what you believe is wrong,lemme tell you something,just because you were taught something growing up or found stuff in society that taught you something doesn’t mean its right,Slavery was taught to be right in alot of cultures, doesn’t mean its moral to do,but it was still taught to be normal,just because you learned one side of a spectrum doesnt mean that piece of a spectrum is necessarily right, you cant falsly claim stuff without proof,and the bible isnt proof,neither is any man made or scientifically made thing in this world

I’m confused, what “facts” are you speaking of? This is not a condescending question I just want to know what you are referring to when you say facts.

Because if it was  concrete fact, then there would be no debate. The problem comes in because the bible claims things that are in fact, not a FACT, so there’s discrepancy because it’s all a BELIEF. Those two things are very different.

God hates a prideful spirit and will give you over to your own delusions if you continue to seek after them and reject him. Do not try and understand God and the world with your own mind and understanding. We cannot see the wind but we believe that it exists because we feel it and things move because of it. You have been warned to turn from your sins and will be without excuse on Judgment Day.

The things in this world were the only thing ive been taught and a thing i cannot acknowledge with the 5 senses “god” gave me i wont believe. And the whole wind concept you brung up was pointless since you shut it down saying i can feel it, therefore i know it exist. Can u feel god, because i cant. He gives “blessings” but if i worked my ass off for a million dollars i have to say its a blessing from god that he gave me the strength and motivation to do so. I found my own strength and motivation from looking for it, and then manifesting in that shit to get it. If i told u our real creator was a power ranger would you believe? If not, why not? You cant tell me its not true if you cant disprove it.

God does exist & I can explain it to you if you are willing to hear me out.

1. Yes, the way humans are made/their functioning is the biggest thing. The Bible does count because it is seen as a theory in the science sector & theories can only be disproved and not approved. Therefore, unless there is evidence to disapprove it, it is factual.

2. God’s ways can never be explained in its entirety because he is not of this world. That is why scientists will forever have a career because they will never discover all there is to know about the earth, world, God, etc. He cares about earth because it is where his most prized creation is, but he still cares about the universe.

3. Humans are God’s most prized creation & therefore he cares about us more than we will ever know. He cares about all of his creation but humans are the only part of his creation that he gave free will and he knows that, that is a dangerous thing because humans can choose not to follow & obey him and he wants us to have the best life but will not force us to get it. If he did, many people would hate him because of the lack of free will.

4. We can’t say. Just as space spans with no limit, so does hell & Heaven.

5. You must understand that some things in the Bible are just mere suggestions, this is one of them. Religion and ritual has corrupted & taken God’s word to form what they want to be interpreted out of it instead of what God intended. It is suggested that we only eat things that are not fowl such as catfish because they are the “vacuums of the ocean” meaning that they suck in all of the trash of the ocean & when you eat them, you it the trash, etc. However, it is a suggestion but it is for your good. You must not confuse religion with the Kingdom of God because it will deter you from the best thing that will ever happen in your life on earth & beyond. The Bible does not give any set days for certain food intake, that is religious. That is why you must read the Bible & interpret it correctly for yourself or the “blind leads the blind and they both fall into a ditch.”

6. Jesus is the flesh & spirit version of God in the sense that a son resembles his father. God’s spirit was within Jesus when he walked the earth because without a body, God would be illegal on earth because he made it that way so that he could not interfere with the free will of humans. God created Jesus so that he would be able to come to earth if need be as a backup plan for if humans behaved as Adam & Eve did in the beginning & needed help. That is why Jesus came to earth because humans needed saving again and a way to get back to God’s original intent for us. Again, we were given free will and God does not go back on his word so all that he could do was come back in the spirit in flesh form & give us the opportunity to be in his presence again.

Lastly, there is do much more that I can tell you about God, creation, etc. but it would take time and a lot of words, but I love teaching people the truth and do not mind explaining whatever I can regarding the subject. The Kingdom of God is my focus and religion was established to profit off of people’s lack of knowledge. Jesus said, “My people perish from a lack of knowledge.” and he also cursed the religious leaders when he was on earth-it is in the Bible- because they were teaching the people false things and therefore sending themselves and the people to hell.

If you have any other questions, I am more than happy to answer them but they will more than likely be lengthy because of the depth of the topic, but if you and anyone else are willing to listen and practice these things, I promise that your life will be forever changed for the best. By the way, I found Kingdom because practicing religion almost killed me.

Working my way down
answer to 6: what do you mean behaving like Adam and Eve? all they did was eat the apple after being manipulated by the ‘devil’ and then God chucked them out, leaving them to their own devices, and if god was ok with having free will then why the hell would Adam and Eve be the only exception? he didn’t even take in to account that the devil might’ve done it. Also why the heck would he place a knowledge apple tree right next to them, was there nowhere else to plant the thing? if he knew what could potentially happen, why would he only give them a warning. if he is real then boy he is not bright.
5: Mere suggestions ey? if it is only mere suggestions then why focus on it so much? you clearly have read the bible a lot, and if YOU don’t even know what the hell is the truth then why claim you know it and teach others? also, the bible is suggesting that the Noah’s ark could’ve happened, where god literally killed everyone in the world, ‘all loving’. the science behind having 2 of each animal on a single ship is also stupidly impossible, fitting them on an ark with one person that built it is just….
4: If it is that then how the hell does god keep track of everything
3: No, wrong, simply put. All loving implies that he loves each living thing equally, he wont have a ‘prized creation’, plus he killed everyone. Did you know that he killed more people than the devil?
2 and 1: well then how are we ever gonna know if he’s real? just like the big bang theory, there is no evidence to disprove it, so it must be real/factual.

Wow, where to start. I’ll start with LemmeFite then go onto SuccessfulLady.

1. No. There never will be.

2. If there is a god, it doesn’t care about only us. We assume that because of the religions we devised.

3. A god would have the ability to watch every life form in all existence simultaneously. It’s a god after all.

4. How much space is in hell? It’s infinite as far as we know.

5. That is something added into religion by men. A god would either not care or force us to not be able to consume those foods.

6. Jesus was supposedly the son of God and created specifically for that purpose. If you grew up knowing for a fact you were the physical form of a god meant to die for humanity and then live in heaven as a god’s right hand, wouldn’t you sacrifice yourself for the sake of humanity? Like come on, heaven sounds really awesome. Am I right?

Now SuccessfulLady:

1. No, it’s not factual. When you make a claim, you must prove the claim. No one has to prove a negative. The person making the claim has to prove the claim. Religion is making the claim. It must prove it or accept that people might not accept words as proof.

2. How would we know for a fact that Earth is it’s prized creation? How do we know whether it has other planets it cares about? You’re assuming based on doctrine. Keep in mind, men wrote the bible. We do not know if they were lying or not. People were very gullible at that time in history. Anyone could claim to hear the voice of a god and say some very clever things and be believed.

3. See response number 2.

4. Ok, you made roughly the same point I did to LemmeFite. So, no need to argue that one.

5. We eat these things and still can live a healthy life. All foods can be harmful depending on their dosage. Also, if god gave us free will and left us open to temptation then it would not set specific rules for something as simple as which foods to eat. Otherwise god would have made a very long and specific list of do’s and dont’s. And the ten commandments do not cover that topic. Those rules were men’s doing.

6. God could speak to us and just tell us what he wanted. That would not interfere with our free will. We would still have the choice to disobey it. The purpose of Jesus was to take our sins onto him because God knew we are screw ups and needed the help.

Now for what I believe: All the matter in our universe had to come from somewhere. There has to be a beginning. Yeah, our universe probably was created from a “big bang”, but all that material involved had to come from somewhere. It didn’t just blink into existence. There has to be a creator of some sort. That would be our god. Though, what religion had done with the idea of a god is purely for moral purposes. It’s a way to scare people into following rules so that society doesn’t fall apart. Notice how messed up our world is becoming as more and more people become atheist? As more and more people ignore the rules of religion? Religion was created by man. And it was a good creation, to some degree. It caused wars when groups didn’t agree, but when all follow the same one, they flourish. Religion is a good way to teach morals that benefit society. Benefit our species. But it’s all technically a lie. Humans are too selfish to exist peacefully without religion because even as smart as we are, we are still selfish and stupid. We need concrete rules to keep our animal instincts at bay. So in short, something created us, but has never interfered and it’s up to us to get our stuff straight. Let’s try being smart and compassionate about it and try to make a better world instead of arguing and fighting about stupid stuff. Are you with me on that point at least?

fair points and yeah I agree, we do need to make the world a better place.
but this is an arguing website, might as well do it.

God does exist & I can explain it to you if you are willing to hear me out. 1. Yes, the way humans are made/their functioning is the biggest thing. The Bible does count because it is seen as a theory in the science sector & theories can only be disproved and not approved. Therefore, unless there is evidence to disapprove it, it is factual. 2. God’s ways can never be explained in its entirety because he is not of this world. That is why scientists will forever have a career because they will never discover all there is to know about the earth, world, God, etc. He cares about earth because it is where his most prized creation is, but he still cares about the universe. 3. Humans are God’s most prized creation & therefore he cares about us more than we will ever know. He cares about all of his creation but humans are the only part of his creation that he gave free will and he knows that, that is a dangerous thing because humans can choose not to follow & obey him and he wants us to have the best life but will not force us to get it. If he did, many people would hate him because of the lack of free will. 4. We can’t say. Just as space spans with no limit, so does hell & Heaven. 5. You must understand that some things in the Bible are just mere suggestions, this is one of them. Religion and ritual has corrupted & taken God’s word to form what they want to be interpreted out of it instead of what God intended. It is suggested that we only eat things that are not fowl such as catfish because they are the “vacuums of the ocean” meaning that they suck in all of the trash of the ocean & when you eat them, you it the trash, etc. However, it is a suggestion but it is for your good. You must not confuse religion with the Kingdom of God because it will deter you from the best thing that will ever happen in your life on earth & beyond. The Bible does not give any set days for certain food intake, that is religious. That is why you must read the Bible & interpret it correctly for yourself or the “blind leads the blind and they both fall into a ditch.” 6. Jesus is the flesh & spirit version of God in the sense that a son resembles his father. God’s spirit was within Jesus when he walked the earth because without a body, God would be illegal on earth because he made it that way so that he could not interfere with the free will of humans. God created Jesus so that he would be able to come to earth if need be as a backup plan for if humans behaved as Adam & Eve did in the beginning & needed help. That is why Jesus came to earth because humans needed saving again and a way to get back to God’s original intent for us. Again, we were given free will and God does not go back on his word so all that he could do was come back in the spirit in flesh form & give us the opportunity to be in his presence again. Lastly, there is do much more that I can tell you about God, creation, etc. but it would take time and a lot of words, but I love teaching people the truth and do not mind explaining whatever I can regarding the subject. The Kingdom of God is my focus and religion was established to profit off of people’s lack of knowledge. Jesus said, “My people perish from a lack of knowledge.” and he also cursed the religious leaders when he was on earth-it is in the Bible- because they were teaching the people false things and therefore sending themselves and the people to hell. If you have any other questions, I am more than happy to answer them but they will more than likely be lengthy because of the depth of the topic, but if you and anyone else are willing to listen and practice these things, I promise that your life will be forever changed for the best. By the way, I found Kingdom because practicing religion almost killed me. From SuccessfulLady

1. what do you mean it is seen as a theory in the science sector? If I created a theory that there was such a thing as pink unicorns or the lockness monster, you would not be able to disprove that but you wouldn’t be able to prove it either. does that make it fact? theories are not seen as the same as fact in science and not being able to disprove something does not in any way make it true.
2. do you think it is logical that if God created the universe, his most valuable creation would be us when in fact the matter that we are made of only makes up 4.9% of the universe. the rest is dark matter and dark energy. if he loves and cares about humanity so much why would most of the universe be comprised of matter which differs in nature to us and has no relation to life. why would God make so much matter which does not relate to us, if we are so important to him?
3. what evidence do you have that humans have free will and animals do not?
4. where do you think heaven and hell are exactly – from a cosmological perspective? another planet? a multiverse? what do you think it looks like? do you think people can interact with each other? how? how would it be possible for people to leave earth without their bodies when our thoughts and actions and everything that makes up our personalities happens because of brain chemistry and biological brain matter that exists here on earth? 
5. if god created the universe, where do you think god came from? 

BOOM💥💣SERVED,good rebuttal dude

God hates a prideful spirit and will give you over to your own delusions if you continue to seek after them and reject him. Do not try and understand God and the world with your own mind and understanding. We cannot see the wind but we believe that it exists because we feel it and things move because of it. You have been warned to turn from your sins and will be without excuse on Judgment Day.

I’ll be honest with you, the whole thing about people creating religion because their scared of the unknown, I completely agree with , but since this is an argument site I gotta say, the last paragraph you put out just seems completely half assed like you were tired, does it really make sense to you if you believe in something it will be true or if you believe something is gonna happen it will, I’m just saying I think your passage would of been alot better off if you left off with the 4th paragraph, and I’m very curious, could you explain to me how you think we we’re made;how you think we came to be who and what we are

I’m not saying that my truth, which is what you send out you receive, is consistently true for every person. It’s just what I believe. I believe that everything in its inter-connectivity has a balance of sending and receiving. To say that if you think about something enough you’re 100% sure of getting it is just ridiculous, that’s why I added the part about the universe giving you exactly what you need when you need it. So it may not be what you want, but it’s something that’s going to be beneficial for your existence in the long run. I encourage you to look into this theory more closely: what you send out you receive. It’s the laws of nature. It rings true on so many levels. 

As far as how we got here, let me just start by saying I don’t believe in one concrete thing, I find truth in a lot of different theories and am open to all philosophies of thought. I’ve considered the idea of Homo sapiens being an experiment or part of a simulation. Some entity some place unknown to us put us here and wanted to see how our species would turn out. I’ve considered evolution to be a plausible explanation but there are flaws to all of the explanations I’ve been exposed to. How do you think we got here?

I looked it up, and what it seems is that you completely falsified that theory, unless your trying to change some things and make it your own theory, that is not a clear law of nature, you’re saying that just to say it for some reason, maybe you’re trying to sound smart, but I don’t know you, and the closest theory I could find to what your saying is called the cause and effect theory, which is considered to be the laws of laws, not the laws of nature,and if you’re saying you get what you need and not what you want, that’s still ridiculous, just because someone’s starving to death, it doesn’t mean their gonna get food, just because someone’s got cancer doesn’t mean they’re gonna get more time, that’s a fairytale in this world, and there are some situations where what you want is what you need, and you say you believe in this but you don’t have faith that it works for every body, that sounds more like a broken belief to me. And onto your question to how I think we got here, Im sorry I can’t answer that, and as far as I know, no one I know can, that question is so hard to deal with, because, just because you believe something, doesn’t make it true, I just don’t know how to answer it, I wish I I did, I really do, and I’m not gonna lie and pretend like i do know like certain people, I’m just giving it to you straight up, I don’t know

Okay! Thanks for your input. Hopefully the more you read what I said the more sense it will make.

I don’t think Ill be able to make any sense of what you said, no matter how many times I read it over.

That speaks more about your comprehension skills than it does my writing skills. Try to read everyday and that will improve:)

What do my comprehensive skills have to do with the topic? Try to stay on topic please, all I was wanting in my last comment was that you explained yourself a little better, because you seem to be just a making up a bunch of stuff that doesn’t make any sense to the topic at hand, so please if your gonna respond make it somewhat related to the topic at hand, if you would like to get into another topic please make another thread relating to what you wanna talk about, if not I think I’m done here

Say what you mean and mean what you say. if you want me to explain further then say that. if you imply things in your sentences, the implications might get lost in the literal meaning of your words. Comprehension doesn’t have anything to do with the topic, just like how me not making sense to you is unrelated to the topic, it was a response to your message because this is a discussion between us

When I said I couldn’t make any sense of your passage, usually people would go ahead further and explain themselves more, or at least go into further detail, I’m sorry you couldn’t take that from What I said, now could you go into further detail about what I was asking, I’d appreciate it.

in that case god is the laws of quantum and regular physics.

God is dark matter, god is the thing we cannot completely explain but controls everything.

god is a useless term

“jared you’re an absolute god”

it doesn’t mean anything

Thanks I really appreciate that further detail I asked so nicely for, i really, I really do

Not exactly. I don’t know where you got your quote from- link the reference to me, maybe?- but you must realise that he doesn’t mean it literally. You must remember that the foundation of Christianity is built upon faith. “But wait!” You say before he leaves, “What do you mean by that?” His glasses adjust. Well, believing in Jesus being the Son of God in the New Testament is what his disciples did exactly, and for that, he became real. That’s the point, having strong faith. Also, didn’t quite understand what you said towards the end as well, “If you prove he is real, then u guys just proved that he is not real.” Such astounding logic. If we prove that he is real (hypothetically for all you little snowflakes), then he is real, since he’s just been proven to be real. When he quoted- still, I’d kinda like to see that- he didn’t mean it literally. 

i agree

Explain the wind to me? Did anyone ever really walk on the moon? Are there really rovers on other planets? How can I see quantum mechanics? Many things cannot be explained or seen with our own understanding. Seek God and he will reveal truth to you.

We have video proof of all the examples you just used,and if you choose not to believe those things, I really feel you’re way too close minded for this topic in the first place,and a simple look into what causes wind is very easy and something science can and has proven, on the other hand,we have no proof of the “god” you constantly fend for,and science is thanked for that

i feel like if believing a horse was our god was a religion then there’d be a lot of people would believe. I believe what your taught to believe is what you will believe. Ex: Im born into a family who have been raised throughout generations to believe that a horse was our god. Theres a whole book about it to thoroughly deceive you, they use landmarks or other historical happening that havnt been explained yet and write their own fake story to how it appeared there to further this lie and now your trapped in a mindset that when u die your gonna live with horse god and all of his other horse angles. Dont mind the horse analogy, its all i had lmao

“Im born into a family who have been raised throughout generations to believe that a horse was our god.” Never knew a religion like that existed, still, God exists for you if you have faith in that, alternatively he doesn’t as long as you believe that. What presses me is when people decide to single others out for saying that they believe he’s real, or even if they believe they don’t. Once again, as I’ve said before, anyone is entitled to their own opinion and that you’ve garnered no right to dismay such claim.

It’s pretty vague in your explanation here, Religion is mainly a collective idea, or a belief. While I don’t really like how you put it as he exists in imagination (Because I’m sensitive :/ ), he does exist through faith, or rather through belief in him. Seeing as Religion is a collective what they worship doesn’t simply cease to exist through an individual followers death, rather it carries on through the collective belief of said Religion.