Just a mention: it is now being explored and accepted as fact that offspring are impacted by what their GRANDPARENTS experienced. “Yet another fact is that no species creates exact copies of itself from one generation to the next”…but really, humans from 2,000 yrs ago haven’t changed from us. They looked like us, thought like us, talked like us, reproduced like us. So, we’re pretty much exactly like those past generations, which were say, 40 generations ago. Now, if by exact, you mean “exact, like clones”, well, that’s different. But we still have the same gene pools sliding around, still have blondes, redheads (even though they’re like 2% of the population), dark skinned ppl, etc. Same animals, rabbits, snakes, elephants. And the animals seem to get inherited instructions from the grandparents DNA, based on hard times, but especially based on how to survive. So, could it be possible that we’re all just pre-loaded with EVERYTHING, and some of it expresses one way and some expresses another way. NOT mutations, NOT evolution….just different expressions based on what just happened two generations before. Unnatural breeding in scientific labs doesn’t tell us everything we need to know. I think THAT is the most important thing to remember.

For a start the population was much shorter 40 generations ago then today. That’s mainly due to nutrition, but that is a driver in changes to DNA.  However there is less natural selection when it comes to humans than other species.

There have also been many new species formed over the last few hundred years, and many that have gone extinct.

Quick easy question. who here is an athiest and hates God.

easy question yet it make no sense. if i dont believe in god then how would i be able to hate him? that makes absolutely no sense. if i hated god, then i would believe in him.

Society girl
uhm, correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t we kinda different from 2000 years?
blonde haired and blue eyed people came as a genetic mutation
if I’m wrong ignore me

I think that everything would have gone out of existence in such a long time. Evolution itself s just a theory none of us know will ever know it will actually work outcome millions and millions of years we don’t know and probably never will know. However, the bible states that God made the planet and all who live in it in 6 days. He made man in his image. We did not just come from monkeys over millions of years. Also good for you BigChill you have your opinion and yes mutations do exist. you do make many fair points throughout but, My opinion won’t change. I respect your opinion though. 🙂

A Theory?

Like Gravity is still just a theory.

The idea that the Earth orbits the Sun is still just a theory.

The idea that germs cause disease is still just a theory.

Plate tectonics?

How many other things that you would probably consider to be fairly obvious are still only at this stage…theories.

Just a mention: it is now being explored and accepted as fact that offspring are impacted by what their GRANDPARENTS experienced. “Yet another fact is that no species creates exact copies of itself from one generation to the next”…but really, humans from 2,000 yrs ago haven’t changed from us. They looked like us, thought like us, talked like us, reproduced like us. So, we’re pretty much exactly like those past generations, which were say, 40 generations ago. Now, if by exact, you mean “exact, like clones”, well, that’s different. But we still have the same gene pools sliding around, still have blondes, redheads (even though they’re like 2% of the population), dark skinned ppl, etc. Same animals, rabbits, snakes, elephants. And the animals seem to get inherited instructions from the grandparents DNA, based on hard times, but especially based on how to survive. So, could it be possible that we’re all just pre-loaded with EVERYTHING, and some of it expresses one way and some expresses another way. NOT mutations, NOT evolution….just different expressions based on what just happened two generations before. Unnatural breeding in scientific labs doesn’t tell us everything we need to know. I think THAT is the most important thing to remember.From Societygirl

thats not entirely true.

Evolution is not a theory, evolution from natural selection is.

Humans have been the thing that lives, the most dominant thing, so we don’t change.

Humans do mutate sometimes. That’s people with medical disorders, and mental impairments.

for example,

Japanese are known to have squinted eyes, that is a slight evolution of humans to adapt to their climate. 

It takes a looooooong time.

I think it’s laughable you haven’t seen any stonings lately, have you heard of this place called the Middle East? How about three days ago in Malaysia?

I would have thought the context was obvious, but let me clarify. Even though every religion has creation myths as a crucial component, when we talk about the conflict between creationism and evolutionary theory, we’re talking about Christian beliefs. I have no idea what Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs think about evolution. I know that it’s Christians who put forth the idea of creationism as a counter to evolution. Therefore, I was specifically commenting on Christians who seem to pick-and-choose which parts of the Bible to follow and which to ignore.

So how does science explain the beginning of everything

So how does science explain the beginning of everything

From 6God

An intersection of a physical mass moving and contacting the fourth dimensional plane of time. I can explain exactly the general idea of how the earth was made.

If you can say “science doesnt explain it fully so it’s wrong” I can say that you can’t fully prove you were actually born so I dont have to believe you exist.

Well I just wanna say for one I think the Big Bang is just as much of a fairy tale as creation. Also if you’re Christian doesn’t mean you can’t believe in evolution. I’m pretty much with you though SRlea. If God created us (which I believe) then why couldn’t he create everything around us, Everything that scientists say is logic and goes against a creator? Now that’s the thing bc I believe in god I can believe in endless possibilities. If you’re on the side of evolution you’re bound by science, and you are limited by what you can actually study or observe, bc you can only study or believe in what you can touch or see. That’s why this is a pointless argument. Scientists, and not to say they’re all atheist have no place In the creation conversation and vise versa, simply bc scientists are bound to study what we know as our natural laws, where as people of faith are not. So us faith people can keep going with endless possibilities were as science can’t, they have to stick to science.

First of all the universe is still creating something out of nothing at an extraordinary rate. It was only announced in 2011 that the universe expansion is speeding up but the concentration of dark matter is staying the same. You would think as you increase the size of something, the concentration of stuff in there would decrease, but no, it keeps on being made, seemingly out of nothing. It also has a LOT of mass.

Also The Theory of Evolution is quite happy with there being a Creator and doesn’t mention one. That’s why many scientists are also people of faith. There is no contradiction.

Scientists certainly aren’t bound by science. They’re liberated by it.

Every discovery opens up hundreds of new lines of inquiry.

Now scientists need to know what’s making the universe and what is dark matter.

Also quantum entanglement sounds more like the stuff of fairy legends than science, but it is proven to exist. If 2 sub atomic particles collide and one heads off to the other side of the universe, you can effectively change the properties of the one on the other side of the universe by changing attributes of the local one left behind, and do so instantly.

None of this is natural.

scientists do study what they can’t see, and they learn to see it. After all, that is science, to widen our vision, intelligent people in constant pursuit of knowledge, we learned , for example that all that exists consists of matter, then we discover the atom, then the sub-atomic particles. Science is the hunt for the metaphorical sight. To be able to comprehend the world around us, to harness the power of

Arguing six day creation (Genesis 1:1 – 2:3) with an atheist is indeed futile, but then again, so is arguing six day creation with anyone who believes in Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden and a talking snake (Genesis 2:4 – 3:24).  Those are two very different accounts of creation, written by different sects of Judaism, probably centuries apart, slapped together by scribes who didn’t even try to reconcile them. So You can either believe God created man first, then created all the animals, and finally made a woman out of a man’s rib (Gen. 2:7-24) or you can believe God created all the lower animals first before finally creating man and woman at once on the sixth day (Gen. 1:26-31).  You cannot simultaneously believe both.

There is not actually a contradiction. I believe that God created man on the sixth day. Please explain why this is an undefendable position and how it is not consistent with Genesis 2.

Genesis 1 has God creating man and woman simultaneously on the last day, both in his own image.  Genesis 2 has God creating the first man (Adam) first, then creating all the lower animals, and finally deciding as an aftethought to create the first woman (Eve) out of his rib.  There is no evidence either story is true, but as a matter of logic, both cannot be.

Six days to a god could be hundreds, thousands, millions of years to humans. Translation is key.

Six days to a god could be hundreds, thousands, millions of years to humans. Translation is key.

From TheShuan

The book is written entirely by humans, using a word that literally meant day to them. Why would a god take their specific unit that means 24 hours and then say: “you know what, yes that perfectly describes 9000 years.”

Wow I haven’t heard an argument that made me rethink my own views in a long time, thank you.

I am a scientist belivieng atheist and that was one of the most eloquent arguments for human curiosity I’ve heard in a long time. Well done societygirl, we are animals that still have a lot to learn. Let us be inspired by philosophers and perspire as scientists!

Maybe science can someday explain why ZenPoop is such a pathetic loser.

Well, your existence certainly is a strike against evolution.

And your the epitome of evolution in action. We’re breathlessly awaiting your upgrade to slug.

You’ll take “faith” because “ignorance always abounds” and following science is a “scary concept.”  you can’t make this shit up…. well… you just did… but.. wow.

Humans created every problem? really? There are insects that just burrow into people’s eyes. Did humans invent that? That would be God, right? The Black Plague? God. AIDS? God.  God created EVERYTHING, right? So you’re only willing to give God credit for everything good, but blame humans for everything bad?

Speaking of getting pregnant… CONSERVATIVES are standing in the way of getting contraception out to people. You should talk to your people if you’re that worried about overpopulation and starving children.

I was going to take some easy shots, but I’ll let other judge how ridiculous you sound when you think science is too scary. …sigh.

Did God, whichever one you want, create all creatures?

Good question.  My 8 year old recently suggested, out of the blue, that God had created 59% of the world.

Sounds like she gives him more credit than he deserves.

It’s a “he,” but yeah.

Sorry for my improper pronoun usage.

African people starving is not natural selection. You are incorrectly using that term much have you have probably heard the term “survival of the fittest” used (which by the way was not coined by Darwin, or any other scientist) . That is to say you are using it to attempt to show cultural/racial superiority, much like it has been used in the past to justify genocide of native people’s and even slavery. Also you appear to know very little of the continent of Africa and the many different people’s that inhabit it or the larger issues that they face, including your assertion that they continue to get pregnant despite over population, which even animals don’t do?!? You actually compared them to animals…sigh. I think you could benefit from some research so that you are able to stop sounding like a bigot with a cultural superiority complex.

First of all, God made us with free will. in the beggining God made the earth and he said it was good. so get this staright, God made the earth to be good, not to be filled with disease. God gave Adam and Eve a chance not to eat from one tree in the whole garden. Adam and eve ate from that tree. God said that there would now be death, sickness, and sin the the good world he created because of our sin. The fact that you are blaming God for all of this is just hilarious. You are blaming God even though it is your own fault and mine and all the other people of the world. Just hilarious.

Any arguements against that?…

You do realize that God put the tree there in the Garden of Eden. He knew the snake, Lucifer, was in the garden talking to Adam and Eve. If he is all knowing and mighty then why didn’t he do anything? Why did he even make the tree in the first place? He knew what would happen and he just let it happen. Its like telling a little kid not to do something, their just gonna do it anyways especially if someone was there trying to persuade you to do it. If there is a God then he must be a real piece of work.

TheChristianDefender Just one, I need to say before I say this that I respect all religions and everyone’s opinions. So you are saying that God made everything essentially, but I must ask and don’t take this the wrong way, if God created everything then what created him? Where did he come from? Why did he even allow for the temptation of the tree to be present in the first place? These are all rhetorical questions by the by and I am just using them to prove a point, I don’t see how you can believe in something that you have zero proof of. You could say you have the bible, but so so many people have had their hands on it and could have been altered in many many ways before now, it may have even been writing by normal people and just somehow happened to develop into a religion of devoted followers, I am sorry but it just doesn’t make sense. There are too many possibilities for error and not enough evidence to back it up and until then I will continue to not understand the unending faith Christians have.

Actually, I haven’t taken a shot at anyone. I have no adverse emotions about any group, because I recognize individuals as such. I’ve personally known dozens of Catholics who have told me themselves that their group is most likely to completely reject faith more than any other because of all the demands set forth by it.

And I neither embrace nor reject the bible. I think it’s a book chronicling potentially divine (a term denoting something that we understand on a subconscious level but have lost our conscious memory of it) and historic events and has been translated so many times on behalf of leaders with an agenda that it is likely to be nothing like the original. But I do believe that what we call “Divine” could simply be galactic visitors who originally brought us here and we no longer remember the story and have lost the context in which to understand that history. Unlike you, I am open-minded enough to know there is no way we can have the answers, and I think this particular era of people nowadays are the most ignorant in history. We’ve lost the information about our personal history, how to resolve our health issues, have corrupt leaders and mindless followers.

I’m not sure how being open and expansive in my mindset, embracing dissimilar perspective on different parts of one topic is back pedaling, but you’re a myopic racist who really seems to enjoy engaging me, so feel free, since this is “Argue Anything”….why the hell do I care if you don’t like what I say???

I was thinking after I signed off last night how in one thread you said something like, “I’m not black, unfortunately”, and I thought “Who the hell would EVER say that???” BLACKS don’t even want to be black! The MINUTE they have some degree of success, they leave their neighborhoods to decay…further…And I realized NOBODY sane would make that statement, so I’m guessing you’re black and too ashamed to say it or you date/live with/married one and you’re just too much of a fucking coward and idiot to even be able to embrace your own heritage.

My favorite part of sitting in university classes a few years ago was when the asshole white professors would talk about the “Old white guys” running virtually every major institution in this country. And I laughed so hard, because while those sniveling assholes were trying to teach a bunch of privileged white kids (who were logging into their FB accts or texting the entire class), about how “evil” the “Old white guys”  were, those OWG are running the country and every major company in it, making dozens times more money than those liberal, racist white professors will EVER make…all while denying their own heritage. And those same kids are going to work with the OWG to learn how to become just like them!  

Hell, even in the Washington Post last week, there was an article about how black run banks can’t even stay in business. My other threads aren’t racist, they’re REALITY. The more you and assholes like you go on sticking your heads up your asses, the MORE social failure you’re all going to experience.

You are really, as evidenced in the other thread where Lanza ripped you a new ass, a total coward. As soon as other people also agreed with me, you bailed out. What a lameass piece of shit you are.

And I don’t mean that in a bad way. 🙂

You sound very sane. 

Have a great day!

Zenpop, you are S-U-C-H a racist douchebag…and it’s killing you that nobody on here is defending you. Look for a site called “Bully anybody” or “Cry about white people”, something like that. You’ll have others like you.

S-U-C-H… lol.

At first, I was on board with you societygirl but you need to really read your posts. They are nonsensical and contradictory. Its seems you have lost your train of logical thought. “( its a shame because you make some good points.

Actually Societygirl, I think zenpoop is probably a white guy who, like most libtards, hates himself for being white for reasons known only to them. A pretty dumb reason if you ask me, since he’s already demonstrated countless other reasons to hate, despise, and detest him for. He’s probably some balding, unassuming, nebbishy looking turd in his early 50’s, who hails from the west coast, most likely San Francisco, and in a pathetic way to draw attention to himself, uses the internet to create a Walter Mitteyesque life for himself to compensate for his own loser like-non descript existence.