A lot of people draw a clear line between Islam and extremist Muslims. But some people don’t. Are we at war with Islam, or just extremists?
I’m not sure…this might be entirely semantic. If Islam always has the goal of becoming the law then yes, Islam will always be a frictional force when it comes into contact with societies that value intelligent dialogue. Christianity had the luxury of being dragged out of the dark ages over hundreds of years-creating many moderate forms of Christianity in the process. Islam, which is still in it’s “medieval” period is experiencing a very different type of Renaissance…one which does not offer moderate positions. It’s still too early to tell. The better question, in my opinion, is “What will Islam look like after everyone in the Arab world has Wikipedia in their pocket?”
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There really shouldn’t be a question, but with the lack of outrage by the Muslim community at large against extremism, there’s a blurred line they’ve let remain that way.
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With the exception of the war in Afghanistan and it’s effect on Pakistan, neither. If we were at war with extremists, the governments of Saudi Arabia and Yemen would be in much bigger trouble. Unfortunately, we’ve killed a lot of Muslims since 9/11 that many of them think we’re at war with the religion as a whole.
Funny thing is that just about EVERY single act of terrorism in the last 25 years has been committed by muslims. If a group of Italians or Jews took over a plane and killed everyone on board, there would be a HUGE outcry from those groups saying they don’t represent the rest of us. The muslim population outcry must be on a frequency only bats can hear.
It’s completely inaccurate to say that almost every act of terrorism in the past 25 years has been committed by Muslims. It wasn’t Muslims who needlessly invaded a country and killed maybe hundreds of thousands in the process–that would be the US government. And the fact is, Muslims have overwhelmingly said that they don’t condone the terrorism done in the name of Islam. The fact that that has barely been noticed by the American media isn’t their fault.
Uh, yes it is accurate to say that nearly every act of terrorism in the last quarter century HAS been commited ny muslims, “genius.” Let’s go down the list just a bit :A)1983 US embassy building in Beirut, B)1989 Tel Aviv attack C) 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya D) 1993 the first World Trade Center attack E) 1994 Air France flight, and of course 9-11, and the Boston Marathon bombing. Guess what Dimbulb….all done by muslims, although you’d probably try and put a “Bush did it” spin on it. Why not? You probably blame Bush for every evil that’s befallen Mankind since the Great Flood. Then again you’re probably one of those spoiled, campus revolutionary wannabe, ultra left wing llibs who hates America, and has wet dreams of flag burning, and who’s one big regret in life is that you’re not old enough to have a draft card that you could publicly burn. You hate America so much? Then get the hell out. I’m sure people won’t be jumping off high ledges because they miss your company. Better yet, pull up stakes and settle down in one of those Islamic extremist countries you seem to love so much. I’m sure they’ll greet you with open arms, just before they execute you for some imagined slight.
I actually don’t have any particularly specific hatred of Bush, so I honestly don’t blame him for all that much. I don’t even blame him personally for a lot of the bad things done under his administration. He’s probably a likable enough guy.
I also don’t hate America (I even admire Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, among numerous other prominent Americans). I do hate its current government quite a lot, but I thought that was the American thing to do, given how much the Tea Party waves the flag and shrieks about the evils of big government. Apparently when anyone on the left criticizes the government that’s unpatriotic or something, though.
I’m not a “lib” of any variety, since liberalism nowadays generally refers to people like Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, who I think are both hacks. As for leaving the country, I coincidentally might be doing that, though not for a radical Islamic country as you suggest (like Saudi Arabia, a historically close ally of the US government), but for Denmark. That’s, of course, a European socialist hellhole, though, so close enough.
I would say I’m pretty spoiled, like most Americans, given that we live in the richest country on Earth, which is why I think it would be nice if we did a bit more to help people in third world countries (which is, of course, more unpatriotic commie talk). As for your attacks on my intelligence, clearly your foam-at-the-mouth patriotism, Islamophobia, and name-calling indicate that you’re the smartest person in the room. I also notice you didn’t actually address what I said (that a major terrorist action, the Iraq War, was committed by the US government, not by Muslims, contradicting your claim that Muslims are responsible for practically all terrorism in the last 25 years). So all in all, good chat.
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At war with Islam? No. The idea that we are is just dumb. I base my proposal on this:
- There are about 1.6 billion Muslims, almost one-quarter of the world’s population, making Islam the second-largest religion, after Christianity.
- According to Pew Research, nearly two-thirds (62%) of Muslims live in the Asia-Pacific region. More Muslims live in India and Pakistan (344 million combined) than in the entire Middle East-North Africa region (317 million).
Are these people at “war” with us?
One would hope not. But the same Pew research shows some pretty disturbing trends among them. I don’t know of a single country in which a majority of self-described Christians think it is appropriate to kill someone for leaving their faith. But commanding majorities of self-described Muslims in all but a handful of predominantly Muslim countries, do.
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This piece by Robert Wright (“The Clash of Civilizations That Isn’t“) makes a good point:
“The point of the [Roger Cohen] column was to dismiss as ’empty talk’ the claim that we’re not at war with Islam. Elaborating, Cohen wrote, ‘Across a wide swath of territory, in Iraq, in Syria, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Yemen, the West has been or is at war, or near-war, with the Muslim world.’
“You might ask: How could it be a war against ‘the Muslim world’ if it’s confined to five countries that house only a minority of the world’s Muslims? Or: How could it be a war against ‘the Muslim world’ if most of the Muslims even in these five countries are not the enemy?”
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