this isn’t including special abortion cases where the mother has been raped.
abortion is a way out for women who do not want to deal with the consequences of their choices. the women should have to go through with the pregnancy, and then decide wether to keep the baby or put it up for adoption. a civilized society should not normalize killing a fetus which has the potential for life.
abortion is wrong, and a way to run away from your problems change my mind
Updated on July 21, 2019 in
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Think about the fact that anything has potential for life.. like when your conceived you beat out millions of other potentially different people for that spot in life. How is that any less fair..
Or mothers in nature who sometimes eat there babies.. especially weak ones because it means being able to give produce more life down the track.
Or that reality is a horrible existential nightmare.. in situations where that child is guaranteed to have a crap start and shitty life is aborting them not a form of mercy sparing them from a life of pain.
Civilized society vs intelligent society. Objectively a fetus is a just a non living thing.. and until becomes living thing does not have any value. Civilized really means nothing.
Perspective – 200 years ago.. your kid died.. oh well par for the course.. you didn;t get attached… but the fact so many of us survive these days makes us very bias compared to what is more normal to our circumstances over human history.
Just my thoughts on it. Personally I don’t think any of what I just said matters. A pregnant woman is 100% responsible for their own body and what they grow until it comes out… and saying otherwise is really against the laws of nature… and your an asshole if you try to dictate or manipulate what other people do with their body.
Once a woman is carrying a fetus she is no longer just caring for herself. I don’t see how mothers eating their children is relevant nor the argument that 200 years ago no one cared if a child died, as this is not true. Once a mother is carrying a child that child is her responsibility, she is incubating a life that deserves to live. We should not see killing a fetus as a viable option for unwanted pregnacy. It is an easy way out and avoids having to take responsibility. If after birth a mother wishes to put the child up for adoption than she may if she does not feel fit to be a parent.
My arguments were on perspective… we put way to much value on human life. We are destroying the planet and creating an extinction event.. we devalue all that with our morality… its simply a human construct.
Nothing deserves to live.. we simply win the lottery of existence and deny another being from existing.
Lastly women put there bodies on the line to have a kid.. physical effects, nutritional sharing and a boat load of pain at the end of the line.. Taking out the fetus before it has put together a single thought. I think its the right choice if it at all delays the environmental collapse of our world and future suffering. Plus i currently believe existence=suffering, it’s a sick joke we’re compelled by the bacteria in our body to continue existing.
just because you think life is suffering doesn’t mean the child will. if you believe existence is a horrible fate that’s on you and i hope you get to a better mental state, but the child should still have the right to life. once a mother becomes pregnant it is not longer just her body, and it is her responsibility to carry the baby.
Uhhhh blake,if you feel we have no reason to live,why havent you killed yourself yet,I’m not being mean and saying to kill yourself,I’m just asking if its so bad,why dont you just take the easy way out and off yourself from this terrible world now instead of just living,its a honest question.
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Abortion is wrong in all sense. rape, a lot of people use this as an excuse as well. but what about that child isn’t he or she a victim as well? unless the mother or child is in immediate danger if they go through the pregnancy i don’t feel like any child should be aborted, if you have the responsibility to open your legs you have the responsibility to take care of a child,
Why should all the blame be put on the women? It should be the man’s responsibility as well to ensure proper precautions are taken to prevent pregnancy. Stop fucking shaming women.
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I get why you think that and yes although I support abortion it doesn’t mean I would want someone in my family to do it. Many times it is the case that the women wants to avoid the consequences but think about it, in some cases these are teenagers who are not responsible to raise a child and putting them up for adoption is also going to make the child come back to you. Yes the child is a victim but I understand both sides.
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Having a potential for life is too general. A women’s eggs and a man’s sperm both have potential for life but they’re not murdering anyone when they cum or get their periods. (Yes I know a period is when the internal lining is released after not getting a fertilized egg but saying egg was easier than internal tissue) Plus they’re not murdering anything. It’s a fetus not a child. If the fetus was not in the women’s body it’d be dead. If it’s not murder to take someone off life support (someone that can’t physically function outside machinery) than abortion isn’t murder( a fetus dependent on the women). And last time checked every women should have the right to decide if they’re going to grow something in them for 9 months and for they’re body/life to forever change. It’s an issue of women’s rights.
but isn’t that self centered to end a pregnancy and end a fetus’s chance to live because your body or life will change forever, when options like adoption are available.
Pro-lifers are so adamant about adoption, but there are an enormous amount of children in adoption right this moment. A lot of kids aren’t adopted and are phased out of adoption centers at 18. It’s selfish to put a child in adoption where they could get stuck with shitty, abusive parents or not get adopted at all. There is a reason that foster children and children in adoption centers have higher mental health issues. They also have higher suicide rates. You’re honestly telling me that you would rather a woman sacrifice her life to give birth to a child she does not want, give it up for adoption, the child possibly not even be adopted or be adopted by shitty people, and be more prone to mental health issues rather than the child not existing at all?? It’s not selfish for someone to decide what they want for their body. Financial issues are the main concern when it comes to abortion. A lot of women get abortions because they cannot financially support a child. If we forced men to actually pay child support and support children, possibly abortion numbers would go down because women would feel that they could actually have enough financial support for their child. How about rather than focusing our attention on other people’s bodies and what they do with them, we focus on all of the guys that are allowed to leave women pregnant with no support. A lot of guys don’t have to pay child support or the child support they do pay is not the full amount agreed upon by a judge. That shit happens all the time. Pro-lifers are so adamant that women shouldn’t be allowed to back out of a pregnancy. Men have the privilege of backing out of a pregnancy whenever they want. Shit’s fucked.
Adoption is the woman’s way of backing out. And i’m adopted myself and i would much rather deal with the problems that come with being adopted than simply not exist. I agree that men should also be held accountable and more should be done to ensure they pay child support and face consequences for not paying the full amount.
Of course you would say that you would rather be adopted than simply not exist. However, if you were aborted in the womb, you wouldn’t have even realized that you no longer existed. Women should be allowed to back out. We shouldn’t force women to go through excruciating pain and possible life threatening complications in order to give birth to a baby that is just going to be thrown into the adoption system. Our world is overpopulated enough. We don’t need more babies in it.
a pregnancy where a woman can die from complications abortion should be an option. but a woman who had consensual sex should not be allowed to abort a fetus simply because it’s not convenient for her. that is selfish and narcissistic. and painting adoption as this horrible thing is incorrect. while adoption is not perfect it can be a beautiful thing for the child and the parent/s. and while overpopulation may be a problem in one country lack of reproduction may be a problem in another country. saying “the world does not need more babies” is to broad of a statement to make to make.
Most abortions are performed because of financial issues. That’s not just “an inconvenience”. Do you really want homelessness and poverty to increase because women should be forced to have children and care for them? Women should not be forced to go through excruciating pain, just to please your simple mind. Pro-life people are not pro life. They are just anti-abortion. Rather than focusing on fetuses, who are not technically a life yet, focus on the children who are suffering around the world who are actually alive, can feel pain, and are suffering from abuse, sex trafficking, starvation, etc. “The world does not need more babies” is not a broad statement to make. At this point in time, we have too many people for the Earth to support naturally, especially since population is always on the rise. That’s just a straight up fact. Overall, the world is overpopulated. Not an opinion, a fact.
please link your source that says overpopulation is a problem worldwide. women in poverty are not forced to care for the child either. just because i am pro life doesn’t mean i am not also focused on children’s rights, that’s a huge generalization of the pro life supporters.
https://theconversation.com/is-the-earth-over-populated-86555
“Most contemporary estimates for the carrying capacity of the Earth under existing conditions are between 4 billion and 16 billion. Depending on which estimate is used, human overpopulation may or may not have already occurred. Nevertheless, the rapid recent increase in human population has created concern.” 4-16 billion people. Under that number, yes we are technically overpopulated because we currently have 7.7 billion individuals on this planet.
I don’t see a lot of individuals coming to the aid of the children locked in cages, or the children being sex trafficked, so it is right to assume that not a lot of people are focusing their energy on issues plaguing children today. I do, however, see a lot of people protesting and spending tons of energy on trying to change abortion laws, rather than focusing on the children who have already been born, are suffering, and are feeling real pain.
okay but it’s a hasty generalization to say all pro lifers don’t care about child sex trafficking or the crisis at the border.
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