Creationism VS. Evolution

Updated on July 18, 2017 in Science & Technology
54 on February 11, 2015

I put this under Science & Technology because, as you might have guessed, I am appalled by the argument that the Bible is the literal history of the earth and all that surrounds it.  Young earth is not a science, the Bible is not a science book, it’s not even a literal or complete history book.  I am Christian and I have read the Bible and have gotten a lot from it, but I just cannot buy into it being the literal word of God when so many people have had their hands in it (but that is a whole ‘nother argument).  Need some thoughts here.

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4 on February 12, 2015

Nice! I was waiting for this sort of thing to come around. It makes me so sad to see my Christian friends reject evolution. The highest chances of survival for any species goes to those who are best suited for their environment. That’s a fact. It is also a fact that mutation is real. Yet another fact is that no species creates exact copies of itself from one generation to the next. Yet the idea that organisms change over time is UNFATHOMABLE to my Christian friends 🙁

on February 17, 2015

Just a mention: it is now being explored and accepted as fact that offspring are impacted by what their GRANDPARENTS experienced. “Yet another fact is that no species creates exact copies of itself from one generation to the next”…but really, humans from 2,000 yrs ago haven’t changed from us. They looked like us, thought like us, talked like us, reproduced like us. So, we’re pretty much exactly like those past generations, which were say, 40 generations ago. Now, if by exact, you mean “exact, like clones”, well, that’s different. But we still have the same gene pools sliding around, still have blondes, redheads (even though they’re like 2% of the population), dark skinned ppl, etc. Same animals, rabbits, snakes, elephants. And the animals seem to get inherited instructions from the grandparents DNA, based on hard times, but especially based on how to survive. So, could it be possible that we’re all just pre-loaded with EVERYTHING, and some of it expresses one way and some expresses another way. NOT mutations, NOT evolution….just different expressions based on what just happened two generations before. Unnatural breeding in scientific labs doesn’t tell us everything we need to know. I think THAT is the most important thing to remember.

on November 2, 2016

For a start the population was much shorter 40 generations ago then today. That’s mainly due to nutrition, but that is a driver in changes to DNA.  However there is less natural selection when it comes to humans than other species.

There have also been many new species formed over the last few hundred years, and many that have gone extinct.

 

on November 14, 2016

Quick easy question. who here is an athiest and hates God.

on May 25, 2017

easy question yet it make no sense. if i dont believe in god then how would i be able to hate him? that makes absolutely no sense. if i hated god, then i would believe in him.

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2 on February 14, 2015

I can respect religious folks who want to believe in the story of biblical creation. But there are already things in the Bible that they’re ignoring. (See any stonings lately?) I’ve been reading about evolution since high school. I am convinced that the science is correct. I do not think the plant is a few thousand years old. I agree that organisms change over time. So, I try to maintain respect, but it’s laughable to treat creationism on an equal footing with evolution, as some politicians (and school officials) do.

on March 26, 2015

I think it’s laughable you haven’t seen any stonings lately, have you heard of this place called the Middle East? How about three days ago in Malaysia?

on March 30, 2015

I would have thought the context was obvious, but let me clarify. Even though every religion has creation myths as a crucial component, when we talk about the conflict between creationism and evolutionary theory, we’re talking about Christian beliefs. I have no idea what Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs think about evolution. I know that it’s Christians who put forth the idea of creationism as a counter to evolution. Therefore, I was specifically commenting on Christians who seem to pick-and-choose which parts of the Bible to follow and which to ignore.

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2 on February 15, 2015

Big Chill, they really don’t reject evolution, they reject Evolution.  There is a difference.  I think most creationists would agree that organisms do change with time, but the reject the idea of the “Big Bang”, primordial ooze and life coming from that chemical mixture (wow, how’s that for simplification?).   And, P J, you’re nicer than I–I have little respect for those who totally reject that science.  I can’t imagine then, that they would embrace any science.  Here’s my thought:  As I said, I’m Christian.  I truly believe that God had sole responsibility for the creation of all.  Now, how he did that, for me is the debate.  They call the Higgs’ boson the “God particle”, well what if it really is?  God (call him Allah, Jehovah, whatever) knew exactly what was going on when all came into being and, because I have this teeny weeny little human brain, I just can’t wrap my head around the universe forming from nothing.  Can’t get something from nothing.  I think that it was the Higgs’ boson–God particle (his own particle, if you will), or something of that iilk that “banged”.  Then when all was said and done over the millennia and people were beginning to cook, God knew what this creation would be–trouble.  We are trouble.  Disobedient, ornery, silly and very, very curious.  So, if God had just plunked us down here, why not just make us somple, like stick figures?  No instead, we are complex beings with overlapping systems that have evolved over time to keep us alive in a hostile world.  Hell, according to fissil records, had we played our cards right, we might have been moer than one species.  If God had just plunked us down, why make the world a hostile place?  Make it nice and comfortable to accommodate out stick figure bodies.  Why give us brains if not to find the answers to questions that we make up)?  We, the earth, the universe and beyond are a product of a higher power, but we didn’t just get plunked down here like a bunch of Fisher Price people on a playground.

on March 9, 2015

Well I just wanna say for one I think the Big Bang is just as much of a fairy tale as creation. Also if you’re Christian doesn’t mean you can’t believe in evolution. I’m pretty much with you though SRlea. If God created us (which I believe) then why couldn’t he create everything around us, Everything that scientists say is logic and goes against a creator? Now that’s the thing bc I believe in god I can believe in endless possibilities. If you’re on the side of evolution you’re bound by science, and you are limited by what you can actually study or observe, bc you can only study or believe in what you can touch or see. That’s why this is a pointless argument. Scientists, and not to say they’re all atheist have no place In the creation conversation and vise versa, simply bc scientists are bound to study what we know as our natural laws, where as people of faith are not. So us faith people can keep going with endless possibilities were as science can’t, they have to stick to science.

on November 2, 2016

First of all the universe is still creating something out of nothing at an extraordinary rate. It was only announced in 2011 that the universe expansion is speeding up but the concentration of dark matter is staying the same. You would think as you increase the size of something, the concentration of stuff in there would decrease, but no, it keeps on being made, seemingly out of nothing. It also has a LOT of mass.

Also The Theory of Evolution is quite happy with there being a Creator and doesn’t mention one. That’s why many scientists are also people of faith. There is no contradiction.

Scientists certainly aren’t bound by science. They’re liberated by it.

Every discovery opens up hundreds of new lines of inquiry.

Now scientists need to know what’s making the universe and what is dark matter.

Also quantum entanglement sounds more like the stuff of fairy legends than science, but it is proven to exist. If 2 sub atomic particles collide and one heads off to the other side of the universe, you can effectively change the properties of the one on the other side of the universe by changing attributes of the local one left behind, and do so instantly.

None of this is natural.

 

 

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3 on February 17, 2015

As a literal 6 day creationist I don’t have a problem with Christians that hold differing opinions on the mean of Creation. However I believe that some theories can be very harmful, such as the theory that Adam and Cain were not real people. This leads into a lot of dangerous theology. Arguing six day creation with an atheist is a lesson in futility.

on February 17, 2015

Arguing six day creation (Genesis 1:1 – 2:3) with an atheist is indeed futile, but then again, so is arguing six day creation with anyone who believes in Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden and a talking snake (Genesis 2:4 – 3:24).  Those are two very different accounts of creation, written by different sects of Judaism, probably centuries apart, slapped together by scribes who didn’t even try to reconcile them. So You can either believe God created man first, then created all the animals, and finally made a woman out of a man’s rib (Gen. 2:7-24) or you can believe God created all the lower animals first before finally creating man and woman at once on the sixth day (Gen. 1:26-31).  You cannot simultaneously believe both.

on February 22, 2015

There is not actually a contradiction. I believe that God created man on the sixth day. Please explain why this is an undefendable position and how it is not consistent with Genesis 2.

on February 28, 2015

Genesis 1 has God creating man and woman simultaneously on the last day, both in his own image.  Genesis 2 has God creating the first man (Adam) first, then creating all the lower animals, and finally deciding as an aftethought to create the first woman (Eve) out of his rib.  There is no evidence either story is true, but as a matter of logic, both cannot be.

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2 on February 17, 2015

Headlines 2 days ago say scientists now believe “Big Bang” could not have occurred.  We’re fed so much bullshit for so long that society just passes it along as fact. How do we know we’re not seeded here from those just like us elsewhere out there in the big blue? God is “up in the sky”? So is outer space. “He’s coming back for us”? So could galactic visitors. “We’re made in his image” Yep, we’re made in our parent’s image, too. God is the “Father”?  Well, isn’t “father” and “leader” interchangeable terms? I think I”ve heard that a few times here and there…

So, is evolution even a point anymore? Why is it just A or B? Creationism vs evolution…Why is everyone sooo closed-minded that they can’t consider the fact that Earth might have had all kinds of evolution occurring, but at some point, due to disease, or pollution, or overpopulation, maybe some of us were dropped off here to start over. MAYBE we’re the damned penal colony of the solar system. Now, THERE’S a thought!

And as for the Universe forming from nothing: several hundred years ago, ppl thought the Earth was flat. A couple hundred years ago, ppl thought man couldn’t fly. No one even conceived of electricity or phones or computers. Could it be that we simply DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE to understand the concepts of how it started? It would be like trying to explain a phone call or email to Christopher Columbus. Maybe we just don’t have enough context yet, but we find it necessary to define EVERYTHING. There’s no room for mystery or unexplained concepts anymore. That’s what scares me the most. Everyone in this generation thinks there’s an answer for everything. THAT is so scary in it’s ignorance.

on February 28, 2015

Wow I haven’t heard an argument that made me rethink my own views in a long time, thank you.

on March 11, 2015

I am a scientist belivieng atheist and that was one of the most eloquent arguments for human curiosity I’ve heard in a long time. Well done societygirl, we are animals that still have a lot to learn. Let us be inspired by philosophers and perspire as scientists!

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0 on February 20, 2015

What Societygirl said. What she said EXACTLY.

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3 on February 20, 2015

I continue to believe in science to understand what is around me. 
Scientists of any era use the tools they have at their disposal and try to use data to explain things. Of course, sometimes they’re wrong… but the way they find it is through further testing (otherwise known as SCIENCE!). To claim sure knowledge that the universe was created by some being… who then left the Earth uninhabited by humans for 95%+ of the time… only to knock them out in the last five thousand years… and that being gets angry at some people, throws a tantrum and wipes out the the entire population (except for a boat filled with two of every 5 million creatures)… who then listens to prayers and intercedes in bible stories, but doesn’t feel compelled to help stop the slaughter of millions and doesn’t seem to have a problem with babies in Africa contracting AIDS…  there’s kind of a problem there.

So… I was raised as a Catholic, so it’s tough confronting this kind of stuff… but it’s getting harder and harder to justify the belief in all answers coming from a book put together and severely edited by humans with various axes to grind.  I’ll take science… who will eventually (if the human race survives itself) find out the reasons for most things… 

on February 28, 2015

Maybe science can someday explain why ZenPoop is such a pathetic loser.

on March 1, 2015

Well, your existence certainly is a strike against evolution.

on March 1, 2015

And your the epitome of evolution in action. We’re breathlessly awaiting your upgrade to slug.

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1 on February 21, 2015

Science find out “most things”??? Hahaha…Scientists find what they’re looking for, and nowadays, since 99.9% of scientists are funded by some corporation in one way or another, they find what they’re looking for in a way that benefits their benefactors.

Right now the headlines are all screaming about ppl signing up to go to Mars bc they believe Earth will be uninhabitable in the future. So…we fast forward 50 generations, almost all memory of us here on Earth is forgotten, our govt here has decided it’s better to not get to involved with those on Mars bc they “evolved” socially in a different way based on the living conditions of their environment and societal structure. We check in every now and then to provide information to a chosen group who can keep up with some of our advances. We let the diseases and catastrophes occur naturally and don’t get involved because they have “free will” to fuck it up all they want. And frankly, they’re a longass ways away and it’s not like they’re just going to call us when they have some major problem.

Sound familiar? Maybe some translations based on the limited understanding of the people at that time who composed “a book” who documented, in that same limited knowledge and had to define it as only they could, describes something way bigger. But people like to think somehow God is punishing people because that “divine being” didn’t intercede in every problem that we HUMANS created. Babies dying in Africa from AIDS? WHAT? How about all the babies dying in Africa from STARVATION bc people who don’t have the resources to even feed themselves STILL get pregnant. Does anybody need to fix that? Even animals don’t get pregnant when they don’t have the resources to provide for themselves or the group.

I’ll take faith, because at least I know from a historical context that ignorance always abounds and scientists have been the biggest promoters of it throughout history. Hell, even progressive scientists who did come up with new concepts were shunned by their own fellow scientists…relying on science: WHAT a scary concept!!!

on February 21, 2015

You’ll take “faith” because “ignorance always abounds” and following science is a “scary concept.”  you can’t make this shit up…. well… you just did… but.. wow.

Humans created every problem? really? There are insects that just burrow into people’s eyes. Did humans invent that? That would be God, right? The Black Plague? God. AIDS? God.  God created EVERYTHING, right? So you’re only willing to give God credit for everything good, but blame humans for everything bad?

Speaking of getting pregnant… CONSERVATIVES are standing in the way of getting contraception out to people. You should talk to your people if you’re that worried about overpopulation and starving children.

I was going to take some easy shots, but I’ll let other judge how ridiculous you sound when you think science is too scary. …sigh.

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9 on February 21, 2015

Are you serious??? GOD made insects burrow into people’s eyes? God made the Plague???? GOD MADE AIDS????? Oh, too funny. If ignorance abounds, you win the prize for having the most! 

How about all the people who DON’T have AIDS? Like the billions and billions….How about all the people who didn’t live in filthy rat-infested neighborhoods who didn’t get the plague????Did God “save” them from it, if he gave it to the others? Holy shit, that makes me one of the chosen ones then, doesn’t it??? Did God make cancer? Car accidents? Heart attacks? If you want to “blame” God for everything, then you have to say anyone God spared is chosen. The depressing part about that is that must mean you’re chosen also…shit, that sucks. God let the idiots survive too? Well, you’re evidence, so I guess, from a scientific, realistic view, that is a fact, you are here, so I guess you are one of the chosen ones.

You’re really an idiot with the comments you make as fact regarding my statements. And somehow, you are so righteous about it, as idiots always are.

I don’t think science is too scary at all. Try reading the sentence. I said RELYING on science, and scientists, who are nothing but ordinary people with their own agendas, is scary.

You Catholics are so predictable. You just suck it all in, with popes and cardinals and all that bullshit, then you reject it all. There’s no C. Just A and B. You can’t even think for yourself or conceive there could be something else. You are still suffering from your Catholicism!

And  believe me, I’m not worried about starvation, not in Africa, that’s for sure. It’s natural selection. Or maybe the Conservatives are making all those Africans get pregnant even though they’re eating “cookies” made from dirt to survive…

on March 14, 2015

Did God, whichever one you want, create all creatures?

on March 21, 2015

Good question.  My 8 year old recently suggested, out of the blue, that God had created 59% of the world.

on March 21, 2015

Sounds like she gives him more credit than he deserves.

on March 21, 2015

It’s a “he,” but yeah.

on March 27, 2015

Sorry for my improper pronoun usage.

on April 20, 2015

African people starving is not natural selection. You are incorrectly using that term much have you have probably heard the term “survival of the fittest” used (which by the way was not coined by Darwin, or any other scientist) . That is to say you are using it to attempt to show cultural/racial superiority, much like it has been used in the past to justify genocide of native people’s and even slavery. Also you appear to know very little of the continent of Africa and the many different people’s that inhabit it or the larger issues that they face, including your assertion that they continue to get pregnant despite over population, which even animals don’t do?!? You actually compared them to animals…sigh. I think you could benefit from some research so that you are able to stop sounding like a bigot with a cultural superiority complex.

on November 14, 2016

First of all, God made us with free will. in the beggining God made the earth and he said it was good. so get this staright, God made the earth to be good, not to be filled with disease. God gave Adam and Eve a chance not to eat from one tree in the whole garden. Adam and eve ate from that tree. God said that there would now be death, sickness, and sin the the good world he created because of our sin. The fact that you are blaming God for all of this is just hilarious. You are blaming God even though it is your own fault and mine and all the other people of the world. Just hilarious.

Any arguements against that?…

on February 21, 2017

You do realize that God put the tree there in the Garden of Eden. He knew the snake, Lucifer, was in the garden talking to Adam and Eve. If he is all knowing and mighty then why didn’t he do anything? Why did he even make the tree in the first place? He knew what would happen and he just let it happen. Its like telling a little kid not to do something, their just gonna do it anyways especially if someone was there trying to persuade you to do it. If there is a God then he must be a real piece of work.

 

on May 26, 2017

 Just one, I need to say before I say this that I respect all religions and everyone’s opinions. So you are saying that God made everything essentially, but I must ask and don’t take this the wrong way, if God created everything then what created him? Where did he come from? Why did he even allow for the temptation of the tree to be present in the first place? These are all rhetorical questions by the by and I am just using them to prove a point, I don’t see how you can believe in something that you have zero proof of. You could say you have the bible, but so so many people have had their hands on it and could have been altered in many many ways before now, it may have even been writing by normal people and just somehow happened to develop into a religion of devoted followers, I am sorry but it just doesn’t make sense. There are too many possibilities for error and not enough evidence to back it up and until then I will continue to not understand the unending faith Christians have.

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6 on February 21, 2015

It’s funny how you back pedal from your own comments. Perhaps even you realize how ridiculous you look. 

Also… in keeping with your racist bullshit you spread in other threads, it’s good to see you taking a shot at all Catholics, too. Keep typing… it gives us a nice view underneath your hood.

on February 21, 2015

Actually, I haven’t taken a shot at anyone. I have no adverse emotions about any group, because I recognize individuals as such. I’ve personally known dozens of Catholics who have told me themselves that their group is most likely to completely reject faith more than any other because of all the demands set forth by it.

And I neither embrace nor reject the bible. I think it’s a book chronicling potentially divine (a term denoting something that we understand on a subconscious level but have lost our conscious memory of it) and historic events and has been translated so many times on behalf of leaders with an agenda that it is likely to be nothing like the original. But I do believe that what we call “Divine” could simply be galactic visitors who originally brought us here and we no longer remember the story and have lost the context in which to understand that history. Unlike you, I am open-minded enough to know there is no way we can have the answers, and I think this particular era of people nowadays are the most ignorant in history. We’ve lost the information about our personal history, how to resolve our health issues, have corrupt leaders and mindless followers.

I’m not sure how being open and expansive in my mindset, embracing dissimilar perspective on different parts of one topic is back pedaling, but you’re a myopic racist who really seems to enjoy engaging me, so feel free, since this is “Argue Anything”….why the hell do I care if you don’t like what I say???

I was thinking after I signed off last night how in one thread you said something like, “I’m not black, unfortunately”, and I thought “Who the hell would EVER say that???” BLACKS don’t even want to be black! The MINUTE they have some degree of success, they leave their neighborhoods to decay…further…And I realized NOBODY sane would make that statement, so I’m guessing you’re black and too ashamed to say it or you date/live with/married one and you’re just too much of a fucking coward and idiot to even be able to embrace your own heritage.

My favorite part of sitting in university classes a few years ago was when the asshole white professors would talk about the “Old white guys” running virtually every major institution in this country. And I laughed so hard, because while those sniveling assholes were trying to teach a bunch of privileged white kids (who were logging into their FB accts or texting the entire class), about how “evil” the “Old white guys”  were, those OWG are running the country and every major company in it, making dozens times more money than those liberal, racist white professors will EVER make…all while denying their own heritage. And those same kids are going to work with the OWG to learn how to become just like them!  

Hell, even in the Washington Post last week, there was an article about how black run banks can’t even stay in business. My other threads aren’t racist, they’re REALITY. The more you and assholes like you go on sticking your heads up your asses, the MORE social failure you’re all going to experience.

You are really, as evidenced in the other thread where Lanza ripped you a new ass, a total coward. As soon as other people also agreed with me, you bailed out. What a lameass piece of shit you are.

And I don’t mean that in a bad way. 🙂

on February 23, 2015

You sound very sane. 

Have a great day!

on February 23, 2015

Zenpop, you are S-U-C-H a racist douchebag…and it’s killing you that nobody on here is defending you. Look for a site called “Bully anybody” or “Cry about white people”, something like that. You’ll have others like you.

on February 28, 2015

S-U-C-H… lol.

on March 11, 2015

At first, I was on board with you societygirl but you need to really read your posts. They are nonsensical and contradictory. Its seems you have lost your train of logical thought. “( its a shame because you make some good points.

on March 21, 2015

Actually Societygirl, I think zenpoop is probably a white guy who, like most libtards, hates himself for being white for reasons known only to them. A pretty dumb reason if you ask me, since he’s already demonstrated countless other reasons to hate, despise, and detest him for. He’s probably some balding, unassuming, nebbishy looking turd in his early 50’s, who hails from the west coast, most likely San Francisco, and in a pathetic way to draw attention to himself, uses the internet to create a Walter Mitteyesque life for himself to compensate for his own loser like-non descript existence.

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